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Apple Worked With U.S. Government on 'Secret' iPod

Apple worked with the U.S. government on a "secret" modified iPod, according to a new report by former Apple software engineer David Shayer published by TidBits.

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Shayer explains that in 2005, he was asked by the director of iPod software to "help two engineers from the U.S. Department of Energy build a special iPod." The engineers were in fact contractors from Bechtel, a large U.S. defense contractor. Only four individuals at Apple were aware of the project at the time, none of whom still work at the company, and there was no paper trail as all communication occurred in person.

The team set about modifying an iPod to record data from added custom hardware. It still had to look and work like a normal iPod, with any additional data recorded to the iPod's hard disk needing to be undetectable. Shayer's main role in the project was to oversee any help needed by the Department of Energy from Apple. The contractors were given an office at Apple headquarters, and over several months they were taught how to navigate and change the early iPod operating system.

The specific modified device was a fifth-generation iPod, chosen for its easily-opening case and large 60 GB disk. It was also the final iPod for which Apple did not digitally sign the operating system, allowing for easier software modification.

The Department of Energy is responsible for U.S. nuclear weapons and nuclear power programs, and in 2005 its budget was $24.3 billion. $9 billion of this budget was intended to meet defense-related objectives such as nuclear deterrence.

Shayer never saw the additional hardware personally, but believes that the iPod was modified to function as a "stealth Geiger counter." He speculates that such a device would be extremely useful for the Department of Energy when conducting covert operations to gather evidence of radioactivity.

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81 months ago
I dearly miss those click wheels.
Score: 24 Votes (Like | Disagree)
yurc Avatar
81 months ago
So if you spotted folks carrying classic iPod in 2020, clearly he isn't listening music ♪
Score: 21 Votes (Like | Disagree)
diego.c Avatar
81 months ago
When Edward Snowden leaked the NSA classified documents, one of them identified Apple as one of the companies that the government has a secret access door to. Of course Apple and I think that Tim Cook itself denied such possibility. And I always think that both possibilities can be true. Apple may think that there's not secret door, but it's really easy for the government to approach 3 or 4 key Apple engineers, extort them or just pay them, and have ears and eyes into the Apple user data. This article suggest that such thing can be done without leaving any trace inside the targeted company.
Score: 20 Votes (Like | Disagree)
TurboJobo Avatar
81 months ago
Imagine having an engraved iPod that said
"Not a spying device" Lol 😂
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Mr Lizard Avatar
81 months ago
‘We don’t work with government to build secret backdoors into our products’
Score: 15 Votes (Like | Disagree)
auvxza Avatar
81 months ago
Secret iPod = iPhone

So Huawei is banned in the USA because it works with the Chinese military...
Could Apple be banned in China for working with the US military?

To be honest this news along with banning Epic developers for adding in their own payment method (even though they allow Amazon to have their own payment method in their app ) has made Apple lose all credibility in privacy and being developer / consumer friendly company.


When Edward Snowden leaked the NSA classified documents, one of them identified Apple as one of the companies that the government has a secret access door to. Of course Apple and I think that Tim Cook itself denied such possibility. And I always think that both possibilities can be true. Apple may think that there's not secret door, but it's really easy for the government to approach 3 or 4 key Apple engineers, extort them or just pay them, and have ears and eyes into the Apple user data. This article suggest that such thing can be done without leaving any trace inside the targeted company.
No wonder apple is pushing their "privacy" marketing campaign. It's easier to make people believe you're doing something than to actually do it.
Score: 11 Votes (Like | Disagree)
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